Branden & Jelena go beyond starting salary to break down all the basics of biglaw.

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Do you like money and dislike free time? Then biglaw might be for you. Branden & Jelena go beyond starting salary to break down all the basics of biglaw.

If you’re planning to pay off your law school debt by getting a lucrative job at an Am-Law 100 firm, don’t send in that seat deposit before listening to this episode. (And, ideally, doing a lot more homework, too.)

Listen and learn . . .

  1. How big does a firm have to be to qualify as “biglaw,” anyway?
  2. How much can you actually expect to make in biglaw?
  3. What’s “up or out,” and does it really mean you’ll get fired a few years in?
  4. Why, exactly, do biglaw firms care so much about your grades?
  5. Is it possible to do biglaw without selling your soul?
  6. Why do so many new lawyers plan on “three-and-out,” but end up either stuck in biglaw for longer than three years or broke and unemployed?
  7. Which law schools should you apply to for a shot at biglaw?

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Jelena Woehr

Jelena Woehr

Jelena was born & raised in Golden, CO. There she cut her teeth on logic by getting into, then out of, an impressive amount of trouble. When not organizing student protests or lobbying the school board, Jelena competed in equestrian sports & constitutional debate. Jelena took the June 2017 LSAT, partly out of curiosity and partly because she developed a serious Logic Games addiction. After three months of study, Jelena achieved a score of 178. While she didn't end up falling in love with law school, she did find herself really enjoying the LSAT—so much that she left her previous career in tech startups behind and began teaching. Jelena prides herself on helping her students understand not just the systems and methods they can apply to get a good score, but the underlying logic & its applicability to the challenge of learning to think like a law student. Outside of her work with the LSAT, Jelena is a writer, creative content producer, & a competitive equestrian endurance rider.

Branden Frankel

Branden Frankel

In 2000, Branden graduated with a BA in Philosophy from UC Santa Barbara. For a few years after, he cast about in vain for entry-level philosopher positions, but, when he was visited by the Ghost of Student Loans Past, he knew it was time to make a change. In June 2006, Branden took the LSAT, scoring a 175. Thereafter, he attended UCLA School of Law, graduating in 2010 and practicing patent law for several years. Since 2013, he has taught dozens of live LSAT classes and tutored scores of successful test takers. When he's not considering the finer points of a particularly tricky Logical Reasoning question or kicking it with his daughter, Branden writes Science Fiction. You can find him after work at the local Starbucks, typing furiously, then deleting what he typed, then typing more, and so on for hours.


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